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Freya's avatar

I have to believe the socialization component is significant, or else what is the point? And the fact that, even if males are predisposed to be more violent, there are a significant number of them who are NOT violent, gives me hope that as feminists we can keep demanding change and slowly move the needle.

ScarletM's avatar

We can't say this enough. Men create an enormous burden on society through their violence, and our justice systems don't do enough about it.

General contempt for women seems more common in the Commonwealth countries than in the U.S.--perhaps because of the history of hierarchy in British society? Between your column and what I read from Collective Shout I'm horrified by what is going on in Australia, and by the popularity of Andrew Tate in Britain.

Goudou's avatar

I agree with everything in your article and it is great you are not holding back your anger. All women should be furious about the butchering of women, and yes most women are killed by men they know.

Politicians love to give themselves brownie points on how much they allegedly do about domestic violence and announce today that there will be a new ministry. Yes, you guessed right. It will be the ministry for men.

And they are utter hypocrites, because they all hopped on the band wagon of trans ideology, which led to the erasure of women and lesbians. Instead of women, we have become uterus havers, pregnant people, chest feeders, and so on. If we are lucky, we are called Cis women.

Lesbians are not allowed to hold lesbian only events unless we allow men who claim to be women and are attracted to women, calling themselves lesbians. The High Court case fighting this is coming up in February.

Men who claim to be women are allowed into all women only spaces, like public bathrooms, changing rooms, rape crisis centres, women’ sports teams and women prisons.

Anna Cody who is the Sex Discrimination Commissionner, who earns 400000$ per annum, refuses to define what a woman is and tries to talk her way around the question by sprouting trans ideology. That someone who does not believe in the biological fact that there are two sexes and that women are one of them, can hold the position of Sex Discrimination Commissioner is utterly appalling. There have been some politicians who also refuse to define what a woman is.

Women who publicly defend female sex-based rights have lost their jobs and reputation, have experienced and enormous degree of hatred, including the threat to be raped and killed. They lost friendships and even family members, because they do not want to support the blatant lie that men can become women.

And I bet, that when the future minister for men is asked what a man is, they won’t have any problem with the definition.

It is not surprising that this level of hatred against women happens on a daily basis. Women count for nothing in a climate where you can’t even publicly say woman = adult human female.

Katriga's avatar

The reason why "male loneliness" is a problem is because men are violent. Monogamous societies are more stable because historically they guaranteed a woman for almost every man. Single men who don't get sex commit more violence, and this damages society as a whole. Is it fair for women to be sacrificed at the altar of civilisation, it's not.

All power ultimately stems from violent force, and the only protection against male violence is male violence. Military and police are both organisations of male violence that protect society from male violence. Women are not only physically weaker, they are less prone to violence, so even with the tools of modern technology which have democratised violent force, they are unwilling to use them.

✮✩Write Sober, Edit Sober ✩✮'s avatar

I don’t think it’s true that single men, or men who don’t "get" sex, commit more violence, especially sexual violence. Most male violence is committed against people (women) they know and/or are intimate with: partners, girlfriends, wives, daughters. Most violent men are opportunistic; it has nothing to do with whether they are “getting sex.” Most rapists are opportunistic rather than sexual sadists or fantasists.

However, I do agree that many forms of the military and police forces are organised around patriarchy and male violence etc.

Freya's avatar

One wonders if partnered men actually are less violent or if their partners simply absorb the violence without reporting it, thus skewing the statistics.

ScarletM's avatar

Among parole officers and rehabilitation experts, having a female partner and a job are the two things that keep men from going back to prison. I don't think it's about sex so much as men who still have a shred of genuine masculinity want to impress and care for their female partners. Having a relationship with a woman gives those men stability. It doesn't do much for perverts and sadists but those are not the majority of men or even the majority of criminal men.

Katriga's avatar

I'm not talking about violence against women or sexual violence. I'm talking about large scale violence that leads to political instability and failed states. Polygynous societies are less stable and more prone to failure. The state doesn't care about you or any other individual woman or even women as a whole, or me or any individual man or men as a whole.

> However, I do agree that many forms of the military and police forces are organised around patriarchy and male violence etc.

You missed my point. Women lack the ability to protect themselves from male violence, they depend on violence from other men to protect them.

Goudou's avatar

Women have never been taught how to defend themselves efficiently, because if they were taught how to cause serious injury to men, the myth that women need men for protection would crumble. I have taught feminist self-defence for many years and I can assure you, it is efficient.

Many,mainly heterosexual women, do not want to really look at the women hatred around them, because if they did they could not be with men anymore.

Those women who do would need to join the 4B movement.

And there are many lesbians who never relied on the so-called protection from men.

ScarletM's avatar

I'm 61 and have spinal and orthopedic problems. I'm not going to be doing Krav Maga or karate to defend myself against a man.

Katriga's avatar

There's nothing you can teach that can bypass the physical difference in strength, unless you're teaching them to carry a firearm.

> And there are many lesbians who never relied on the so-called protection from men.

Do lesbians live in magical countries without police forces or militaries?

A. M.'s avatar

that's a problem. what isn't taught in women's self defense, is, what happens when it doesn't work like it did in the studio scenario? kick a guy in the nuts or punch him in the nose, and he doesn't react at all, just looks at you and says, "now you're dead". btdt.

Katriga's avatar

I have no idea what women's self defence classes are, but if they were serious they should all have a woman face off against a man who isn't holding back, obviously shouldn't be aiming to harm them, to experience the difference in strength first hand.

Haley's avatar

If that’s the case (and it might be) then we might need to find a better solution because men have a very poor track record of policing themselves.

If we can get the men in power on our side we might be able to change the law so that men who murder women and children get mandatory life sentences and men who rape women and children get castrated. Make it so they can never get out and do it again if at all possible. Maybe then the men will think twice.

john's avatar

the social construct of masculinity is a major disconnection, disconnection breeds violence, therefore encourage less disconnection and it will happen

Haley's avatar

That has to go both ways of course. It’s not a one sided disconnection

john's avatar

totally agree please read the will to change by bell hooks it really opened my eyes

Katriga's avatar

Well getting men on women's side is what has happened historically when it came to women's rights increasing. As I said in original post, all power ultimately stems from violent force, and women lack it, so women are incapable of policing men.

I don't know how it is in your part of the world, but capital punishment is against the CoE treaties, so no country in Europe aside from Russia and Belarus can have it. ECHR is also opposed to life sentences. Corporal punishment, especially mutilation, is also against treaties. So that would require changing several international treaties which have all of Europe except Belarus and Russia as members.

Studies so far have shown that punishment doesn't deter most criminals as they don't actually think about consequences. Obviously emasculation of rapists would prevent further PIV rape from that specific person.

Haley's avatar

Yes and I am all for getting men onside. We need some heavy hitters to change the treaties and laws.